@rockedge I never said Shinobi wasn't capable of failing. That would be irrational and it is irrational to assume I thought that at any point in time (you were around when some of the biggest bugs happened). The reason I point out ZM's failings so greatly is because they choose not to fix majority of them. A dev admits that he gets paid a fair amount from the project, yet he still tells people he is too busy or wants $ first. My reason for arrogance toward zm devs is simple. I was shunned, I was not helped, and I was hurt. This was before I started Shinobi. Just because they are nice to you doesn't mean they are nice to everyone. You provide free support and bug fixes to the community. I was just a guy who wanted to know how to add fixes and features in my own version of zm. Treating you the way they treated me would be foolish on their part and I think they are capable of understanding that. I don't recall questioning filters? Filters are part of Shinobi? One similar to the zm one and another for events as they come in. If I had questioned this in a negative way I probably wouldn't put that much consideration in it. I think Shinobi has more mobile support than ZM does. Just open a web browser and pop in the URL. Save it to your homescreen and bam. No installation from a third-party. Third-party as in the app is not made by core zm devs (by the creator's own admission). So technically zm has no (or less in the browser) mobile support because it isn't offered by them directly. Nice one! Here is an iPad Pro doing just that. Can you honestly say ZM would ever use that little CPU? I don't even think the THIRD-PARTY app is capable of this. Regardless of whether it is FFMPEG or VLC. It does the task we are looking for. Why go for a complicated way if a simpler way is also correct? and not knowing how to use ffmpeg is hardly an excuse. I had no clue what ffmpeg was until I started making Shinobi. I don't hold a grudge anymore because now users don't need to feel trapped. They can leave ZM (or any other NVR) the moment they are unhappy and that makes me happy. I work everyday to make it better and easier to use, it is now my job to work on Shinobi and because it funds me I want to work on it more. I want to help people more. Also I am young. I live with my parents (sadly not in the basement anymore, i kind of liked it). I don't hold my tongue to people who don't deserve it. If you don't like your parents that is your choice, I like mine and I enjoy living with them. It would probably also do you well not to mention other people's parents in negative tone. That is seen as more childish than what I've done because my remarks lay on the relevant not the irrelevant. ZM devs needed to be told they aren't the best and that their behavior is unacceptable. I boast, I admit that. If you are saying having pride for one's work, one's child is wrong then you should get ready to talk down almost every parent. Boasting about what we care about is natural, not everyone does it but its natural. I have also been told many times I shouldn't do things by the community. It hurts but once you realize why they say it, it makes sense. Not everyone is critical because they hate your work they are critical because they've had a tough time and it partly is the developer's fault. Even if the liability clause is there, If people have trouble with Shinobi it bothers me. It's something I wrote and shared with for a purpose and it ends up not doing that. I want to fix that. As for our approaches. Regardless of how different they may be, the basic premise is the same. Build an Open Source NVR platform that works in the browser. They have done that but can you say they have done their best? I don't believe they have and I don't think we are going to see their best anymore, not on ZM anyway. I believe I can say this because I truly cared about ZM (actually still really do, i check their community chat every morning). I was showing my custom version to my friends, people who had no clue what any of it was. I was that happy about it. I really wanted it to work but again and again things just kept falling apart. I spent years of my life only to find out it was all a waste. Hypothetical : How would you feel if all the work you did on ZM was one day no longer used and instead they went for something sub-standard because it was easier to implement? It might crush you. That is how I felt. You can make fun or defend ZM all you like but it doesn't change anything. ZM devs could have had more people in their community building a better zm if they were more human to people and showed more care toward the project they are the leaders of. The Shinobi community that people have come together to build is insane (call this boasting if you want). I can't even count how many people have provided bug reports and features. Like its crazy not to want people to help or be a critic, it just helps you get better. (Edited)